Recently I spoke a few stations from around the world on 10m which were reasonable strong. All those stations were transmitting with 2 or 3 element (multiband) quad antennas. And for shure these stations were way stronger then any other on the band at that moment. If you ask antenna experts they all say there is no difference between a quad and yagi radiation pattern and f/b ratio in the end. With other words, you can do the same thing with a yagi as a quad. But I'm not really a HAM that does rely on theoretics, I want to see what something does in the real world. Being this something is an antenna or anything else.
This post is primarely for myself to write down some ideas (and receive some ideas in the comments if you as reader has them). It is no secret I want to build a 5 band HF quad antenna for quite a while. But it brings some technical design challenges and takes time. In my last musing about antennas earlier this year I wrote about the only user of the particulair DK7ZB quad design I know; G0VXE Dave definitely tuned the reflectors on his antenna and that seems to be the biggest challenge. However, the f/b ratio will be about 10-15dB which is not to be compared with 25-30dB a yagi will have. I expect in practice it will show about 1-1,5 S-point in comparisation between front and back. However, it seems side rejection will be excellent.
This post is about design ideas I found on the internet. Ideas that are simple but can be forgotten just as simple.
My idea is to make my 2,85m boom from the green militairy glasfiber poles I used for my 80m horizontal loop in the past. To mount the glasfiber telescopic tubing on the boom I found this idea made from alu corner profile, I made one prototype:
Since I use cheap glasfiber fishing rods for the prototype antenna I use alu tubing to reinforce the first 50cm of the rods since I think this is the part of the rod with most of the stress.
WOW! Is that your back garden Bas?? Wish I had that much space, lol. Good luck with this project - I will follow with interest.
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Only part of the garden Tom. I got about 20mx20m space in the backyard. Use to have a 80m horizontal loop around it in the winter. But my XYL will not allow it anymore. 73, Bas
DeleteHallo Bas, ik denk dat veel amateurs graag zo'n tuin willen hebben. Succes met het maken, ben ben benieuwd wat de resultaten zullen zijn. 73 Paul
ReplyDeleteZeker in de randstad Paul. Maar het is natuurlijk altijd een keuze. Er zijn zat plekken in Nederland te koop met zelfs veel meer tuin als ik heb. Voor relatief weinig geld ook. Maar dan moet je niet opzien tegen een plek ver van de steden en jarenlang klussen om alles een beetje leefbaar te krijgen. Voor de hobby blijft er dan weinig tijd over. Dat merk ik met dat kleine stukje grond en een huis uit 1935 al. Maar ik mag niet klagen hoor, na 12 jaar begint het al wat te worden hier. 73, Bas
DeleteWat de antenne betreft, ik denk dat het wel werkt. Maar de praktijk zal nog wel even wachten moeten. Het begin is er in iedergeval.
DeleteHi Bas. I am VERY sure you won't be disappointed with a quad. Tips I would pass on: the fibreglass rods will not break, but they will bend a lot in high winds. This puts a lot of stress on the wire you use for the loops. I used 1.2mm drawn copper, but that would break after maybe 3 years, which is not very long. There is stainless wire from DX-Wire, or maybe try kevlar (but not the UL, thin stuff). Other wires, like flexweave, are too heavy. Also use stainless hardware. Attaching the wire with cable ties, even if UV-resistant, alseo leads to fairly rapid deterioration and breakage. Whatever you use, this is a fairly high-mechanical stress design in high wind areas.
ReplyDeleteHello John, yes I realize this is a high mechanical stress design. Others did warn me for that. However, if you don't try you will never know...
DeleteSo far I wanted to attach the wires with hose clamps. But after one prototype I think 5 hose clamps are just to heavy. I think I will replace the clamps for cable ties and wrap them with vulcanizing rubber tape after installation. Since this is all a prototype antenna I don't expect it to last forever. I hope to learn what the weakest point is (the wires? Like you wrote). Ore something else? By making it as light as possible I hope the mechanical stress will be less compared to heavy materials. 73, Bas
Hi Bas. Yes, the rubber tape will be fine for some years, or you can paint the cable ties with white enamel - that worked well for me. Quads more than worth trying - they are the best antenna type where there is room available. Good luck!
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